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[讨论] 一位特殊的奥军/法军将领

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发表于 2012-9-24 13:04:00 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
奥地利将领计划虽然已经到收尾阶段,但是各种特殊将领层出不穷,比如这位:
Nicolas-François Roussel d'Hurbal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nic ... _Roussel_d%27Hurbal
此君是法国人,不过却加入了奥地利军队服役,并且一直为奥军服役到1809。1811年4月已经是少将的他从奥军退役,同年7月他加入了法军。
1812年他在南苏蒂的骑兵军指挥一个旅,并因为之后的表现而被擢升为了少将,同时还被册封为了帝国男爵。
百日王朝期间他在克勒曼第三骑兵军指挥一个师,滑铁卢之后他成为了第三军的指挥官。
1822年他被册封为了子爵,更为有趣的是他的名字还被篆刻在了凯旋门上,所以说他是凯旋门计划与奥地利将领计划的交集,一位非常有传奇色彩的将领。
http://www.virtualarc.com/officers/roussel3/
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-9-24 13:16:38 | 显示全部楼层
Philip J. Haythornthwaite的Napoleon's Commanders (1): C.1792-1809 - 第8页中的一段话:

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发表于 2012-9-24 17:01:01 | 显示全部楼层
在维基瓦格拉姆战役词条里,有一段Hurbal的胸甲骑兵旅用手枪大战萨克森骑兵的描述。
This heavy cavalry brigade, around 1,000 sabres strong, deployed on two lines, with the 3rd Herzog Albert Cuirassiers on the left and the 2nd Erzherzog Franz Cuirassiers on the right. D'Hurbal was suddenly charged by the 400 cavalrymen from the Saxon Prinz Klemens Chevaulegers regiment (Bernadotte's XI Corps), who had recklessly moved forward unsupported. D'Hurbal's cuirassiers stood to receive the charge and repulsed them by firing a pistol volley from 30 meters. This practice that was highly unusual for the cavalry tactics of the time but in this case it worked perfectly, with the Saxon chevaulegers sent fleeing. The Saxons then brought up the bulk of their cavalry, in echelon formation, with the right leading. D'Hurbal again chose to meet them with a pistol volley but this time the Saxons managed to maintain the impetus of their charge and crashed into the Austrian cuirassiers. Amongst the Saxon cavalry was a single squadron of the Herzog Albrecht Chevaulegers regiment, which shared the same Regimental Proprietor with the Austrian Herzog Albert cuirassiers and these units fought in a generalized melee that involved the entire cavalry present. After a few minutes, d'Hurbal's Austrians were beaten back and pursued, until they were rescued by Lederer's cuirassier brigade.

加入法军后,Hurbal在博罗迪诺曾以第6波兰枪骑兵团击败一个俄军胸甲团。在卡兹巴赫所率骑兵师伤亡2/3力战不退,自己战马被打倒后,被一剑砍伤颅骨。就这样,坚持了四个月才从军中离开(http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nic ... _Roussel_d%27Hurbal)。
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发表于 2012-9-28 21:55:54 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 LANCER 于 2012-9-28 21:57 编辑

这种骑兵以手枪对抗骑兵冲锋的战例估计不太多吧,效果又如何呢。似乎从材料上看,虽然有一定效果,但是也存在问题
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发表于 2012-9-28 22:36:31 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 Gustavus 于 2012-9-28 22:49 编辑
LANCER 发表于 2012-9-28 21:55
这种骑兵以手枪对抗骑兵冲锋的战例估计不太多吧,效果又如何呢。似乎从材料上看,虽然有一定效果,但是也存 ...

据James Arnold在wiki引用书目中的说法,效果不好,可能他的来源是萨克森编撰的战史Die Antheilhahme der Königlich Sächsischen Armee am Feldzuge gegen Oesterreich und die kriegerischen Ereignisse in Sachsen im Jahre 1809. Nach amtlichen Unterlagen bearb.……

Saxon Generals von Gutschmidt and Feilitzsch placed themselves at the head of their troopers. Saxon cavalry doctrine taught that a charge begin at a sharp trot, then accelerated to a short gallop, and finally to a headlong charge. The two cavalry leaders followed this doctrine precisely. Instead of countercharging the galloping Saxon cavalry, Vicomte d'Hurbal ordered his cuirassiers to fire one carbine volley and receive the enemy on the points of their swords. Already outnumbered three to one, this tactical blunder sealed the fate of the Hapsburg horse as the Saxons shook off the effect of the carbine fire and closed in. Included in the ranks of the attackers was one squadron of the Prince Albert Chevaulegers. Among the defenders was the Erzherzog Albert Cuirassiers. Such was the confused state of central European politics that both units were nominally commanded by the same man, Albert of Saxe-Teschen. Those troopers fighting under the French emigre officer fared less well than those fighting on Napoleon's side. In a brief melee, the Saxon cavalry drove the Austrian cuirassiers from the field.

James R. Arnold. Napoleon Conquers Austria: The 1809 Campaign for Vienna (Kindle Locations 1868-1874). Kindle Edition.
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发表于 2012-9-29 08:31:53 | 显示全部楼层
我建议这一个人可以同时出现在两种计划中。
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-9-29 10:08:08 | 显示全部楼层
蓝色拿破仑 发表于 2012-9-29 08:31
我建议这一个人可以同时出现在两种计划中。

已经完成 蓝拿看看格式是否可以:
http://bbs.napolun.com/thread-35948-1-1.html
内容在1、2楼
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发表于 2012-9-29 17:35:06 | 显示全部楼层
LANCER 发表于 2012-9-28 21:55
这种骑兵以手枪对抗骑兵冲锋的战例估计不太多吧,效果又如何呢。似乎从材料上看,虽然有一定效果,但是也存 ...

看了下Gill的书,这个战例中萨克森骑兵的初始发挥其实也不佳,但奥军骑兵更为低劣,鲁塞尔的表现称之为军事失误或是灾难真不过分【邪恶猜想此人难道是不忍对法军下重手?

This came in the form of G M Roussel d'Hurbal's brigade of cuirassiers (Erzherzog Franz, Herzog Albert), deployed west of Raasdorf near the Neues Wirtshaus. Worried that the Austrian heavies represented a danger to the left flank of his infantry, Bernadotte sent his chief of staff, GB Maurice Etienne Gerard, to remove the threat. The Saxon contingent's chief of staff, Oberst Karl von Gersdorff, rode up at almost the same moment with the same mission. Approached by the Saxon Hussars and Prinz Clemens Chevaulegers, the Austrians easily repelled an impetuous but ill-advised charge by the latter regiment, but the rest of the Saxon horse, called forward by Gersdorff, was soon on the scene. Roussel's men, who had successfully turned back Prinz Clemens by receiving that charge at the halt, elected to repeat this tactic and waited motionless instead of counter-charging as most cavalry experts of the day recommended. The result was defeat for the white-coated troopers as the Saxon Hussars turned their left flank and the Saxon heavy squadrons slammed into their ranks from the front. The Austrians 'fled as fast as their horses would carry them in greatest disorder' after a swirling melee, and the Saxons rode back exultantly to reform near Raasdorf, receiving well-earned praise from Bernadotte for their performance.'

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发表于 2012-9-29 17:47:59 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 装甲掷弹熊 于 2012-10-1 15:53 编辑

这场战斗也有很有意思的地方,参与此战的萨克森阿尔布雷希特公爵轻骑兵团和奥地利的阿尔伯特公爵胸甲骑兵团的名誉团长是同一人,特申(切欣)的阿尔伯特(萨克森人称之为阿尔布雷希特)公爵
当然传说中两个团对战的场面据Gill考证是不存在的
PS:阿尔伯特公爵是卡尔大公的姨父兼养父
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-9-29 21:44:22 | 显示全部楼层
装甲掷弹熊 发表于 2012-9-29 17:47
这场战斗也有很有意思的地方,参与此战的萨克森阿尔布雷希特公爵轻骑兵团和奥地利的阿尔伯特公爵胸甲骑兵团 ...

确认不是姨父?
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