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[架空] 最强战士:帝国近卫军马穆鲁克 VS 沙皇近卫哥萨克

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发表于 2017-6-3 00:55:35 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
本帖最后由 朔风 于 2017-6-3 01:00 编辑

模仿一下美国Spike TV的《最强战士》节目。虽然这个节目的槽点很多,但这种关公战秦琼的方式还是能赚来不少眼球

对决时间:

1812年秋季的一天上午,晴朗,风很小

对决地点:

1.障碍较少的平地

2.起伏的山地或丘陵

3.障碍较多的洼地或丛林

对决模式:

1对1单挑,遭遇战,没有任何一方能有时间提前准备(因为无论是什么样的对决,无疑是有准备一方胜率更高)
武器使用:

只能使用史实中装备过的武器,允许骑乘

战士素质:

全部训练有素,但以史实训练度为基准

胜负判定:

在以上三个对决地点分别决斗一次,以让对方失去战斗力为决斗的获胜条件,以决斗获胜次数判定总胜负。
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发表于 2017-6-3 06:17:38 | 显示全部楼层
估计平地哥萨克骑枪能沾点便宜,后两个应该是马穆胜出
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-6-4 09:25:32 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 朔风 于 2017-6-4 09:27 编辑

战士资料之近卫军马穆鲁克

组建于1801年,前身是在埃及征战的法国东方军团的马穆鲁克部队。因常年战损在1809年与1813年进行过整编。

战士素养:

从沿革史上看,该部队最精锐的战士应该是1798年首批加入法军的马穆鲁克,当时的年龄普遍在8岁至16岁之间。1801年那批在扩编过程中吸纳了不少来自北非的难民,而且负责组建该部队的拉普上校曾抱怨有相当一部分人因年龄或作风问题“不堪大用。1809年补充兵员时又吸纳一批新兵。1813年至1814年,当初从埃及来的老兵所剩无几,新成员大多由法国人构成。

因此,马穆鲁克最训练有素的战士应当是1798年那一批,如果能活到1812年那么就是22岁至30岁之间,正值当打之年。

马穆鲁克是各方面都很优秀的骑兵,骑术高超,尤其善使弯刀。

武器装备:

主要武器为弧度很高的土耳其弯刀(scimitar / kilij)或仿照该样式的法军制式马刀,锋利无比,据称可以一刀砍掉敌人的首级。

有说法称原本打算组建一支装备骑枪的马穆鲁克,然而不知什么原因这一构想没有实现。

副武器为数枚可以投掷的阿拉伯匕首(khanjar?),骨朵(一种锤形钝器)或单手斧。

火器为骑兵用卡宾枪,喇叭枪(一种霰弹枪)与两把手枪。

(待续)

补充资料
Pawly, Ronald. Napoleon's Mamelukes. (Men-at-Arms, 429.) Illustrated by Patrice Courcelle. Oxford, UK: Osprey, 2006. 48 pages. ISBN# 184176955X
http://www.napoleon-series.org/reviews/military/c_mamelukes.html

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 楼主| 发表于 2017-6-5 05:12:20 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 朔风 于 2017-6-5 05:14 编辑

近卫军马穆鲁克战例:

胜绩:

1805年奥斯特里茨会战收宫阶段骑兵大战,近卫军猎骑兵团与马穆鲁克(法方)大战近卫骑士团与近卫哥萨克(俄方),最后法方获胜。需要注意的是在这场战斗中,俄军骑兵先投入混战并一度局面占优,拿破仑见此下令拉普将军率领上文描述的部队加入混战,法军骑兵享有阵型上的优势。

1814年圣迪吉埃之战,马穆鲁克用弯刀一路劈砍击溃了一部分哥萨克部队。此时的马穆鲁克部队已经过多次整编,战斗素养似乎比最初有所下降。

败绩:

1808年贝纳文特之战,近卫军骑兵(包括马穆鲁克)被英军骠骑兵团两面夹击,伤亡惨重。

总结:

从马穆鲁克战斗记录来看,他们最喜欢的攻击方式是用土耳其弯刀劈砍,尤其以攻击颈部的枭首动作为主,往往一刀致命(Elting)。

他们不怎么使用火器,喇叭枪更是只用于仪式。骨朵作为钝器可以用来对付批甲的敌人,与弯刀搭配。至于可用于投掷的短刀,效能和准度比不上手枪,几乎可以忽略不计。
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发表于 2017-6-5 11:12:49 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 Abercomby 于 2017-6-5 16:56 编辑
朔风 发表于 2017-6-5 05:12
近卫军马穆鲁克战例:

胜绩:
1808年贝纳文特之战,近卫军骑兵(包括马穆鲁克)被英军骠骑兵团两面夹击,伤亡惨重。

这个说法还是第一次见到,Oman和圣伊莱尔的书都只提到了4个近卫猎骑兵中队

查了军官伤亡表,这一战确实有一名中尉阵亡,一名中尉受伤

另外,击败法军骑兵的不只是第10骠骑兵团,还有来自第18轻龙和第3KGL龙的大约200名骑兵


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发表于 2017-6-5 16:59:38 | 显示全部楼层
朔风 发表于 2017-6-5 05:12
近卫军马穆鲁克战例:

胜绩:

从军官伤亡名册(Tableaux, par corps et par batailles, des officiers tués et blessés pendant les guerres de l'Empire, p. 98-99. http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148 ... 100.image.r=.langFR)看,应该还参加了艾劳(胜或平)、阿尔滕堡(负)、哈瑙(胜),前两场都必定有哥萨克参战,最后一场也可能有

Napoleon's Mameluke The Memoirs of Roustam Raeza一书中,North所作附录(某种程度上这书附录比正文有料)提到:

In 1806 they were involved in the war against Prussia and a more difficult campaign against the Russians in Poland (suffering heavy losses at Pultusk that December). They were then present, and recorded by Goya, at the revolt of Madrid against French rule in May 1808 and went on to fight the British at Benavente in December that year (being hit by a counterattack as they forded a river).

看起来是被英国人半渡而击了
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-6-6 00:37:58 | 显示全部楼层
Abercomby 发表于 2017-6-5 11:12
这个说法还是第一次见到,Oman和圣伊莱尔的书都只提到了4个近卫猎骑兵中队

查了军官伤亡表,这一战 ...

奥曼的说法基本符合事实,但不全面。近卫猎骑兵团除了4个猎骑兵中队还有马穆鲁克中队,被奥曼忽略了。英军骑兵的“第18轻龙”应该是指第18皇家骠骑兵团吧,轻龙骑兵团是1807年以前的旧称,从制服上看也更接近骠骑兵。

另请问圣伊莱尔的书是哪本?圣伊莱将军在1808年是莱茵河方面军一师师长,并未随军征战半岛。

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 楼主| 发表于 2017-6-6 00:56:55 | 显示全部楼层
按照这本书
Pawly, Ronald. Napoleon's Mamelukes. (Men-at-Arms, 429.) Illustrated by Patrice Courcelle. Oxford, UK: Osprey, 2006. 48 pages. ISBN# 184176955X

马穆鲁克中队在此战损失了几名“金牌打手”,亚美尼亚人小阿扎利亚少尉重伤身亡,曾在埃劳之战负伤的希腊人雅尼.德米特里战死,达乌德.哈巴伊比上尉重伤致残,在奥斯特里茨会战头部中弹的阿尔梅尼中士在此战后身负四处刀伤,苏莱曼.穆斯库(好像是克里米亚鞑靼人?此处存疑)被俘,后来此人成功越狱并于1810年归队参加了征俄。总的来看损失惨重。
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-6-6 01:22:30 | 显示全部楼层
装甲掷弹熊 发表于 2017-6-5 16:59
从军官伤亡名册(Tableaux, par corps et par batailles, des officiers tués et blessés pendant les  ...

马穆鲁克肯定在达尔曼准将率领下参与了埃劳大冲锋。关于贝纳文特之战的普遍说法是近卫猎骑团渡河击退当面之敌,随后两军混战之时被皮吉特率领的另一股英军骑兵(第10骠骑团与第18骠骑团一部)侧击,法军骑兵被击溃后余部向河方向且战且退。马穆鲁克中队在此战的使用情况不详,由于当面之敌只有200英军且以骑兵为主,我猜测法军渡河后是将550名骑兵全部横向展开利用人数优势孤军冒进,并未留有兵力在二线掩护,否则皮吉特部的行动不会如此轻松。由此看来,North附录中提到的“being hit by a counterattack as they forded a river"与常见的战况描述对不上号 ...
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-6-6 01:26:50 | 显示全部楼层
阿尔滕堡之战与哥萨克有直接交锋,值得研究。哈瑙之战看序列没有俄军,不过不能就此否定没有哥萨克参战,因为哥萨克不是按“序列”打仗的
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-6-6 07:09:10 | 显示全部楼层
1806年12月的普图斯克-戈里明之战,马穆鲁克也曾与俄军骑兵交手。马穆鲁克中队的传奇人物阿布达拉.达斯邦更是在戈里明之战被骑枪穿透7次,可见骑枪在骑兵格斗中是颇具威力的,而哥萨克最擅长使用骑枪。
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发表于 2017-6-6 08:40:12 | 显示全部楼层
朔风 发表于 2017-6-6 00:37
奥曼的说法基本符合事实,但不全面。近卫猎骑兵团除了4个猎骑兵中队还有马穆鲁克中队,被奥曼忽略了。英 ...

圣伊莱的书链接在此:

http://www.napoleon-series.org/m ... re/c_sthilaire.html
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发表于 2017-6-6 18:52:20 | 显示全部楼层
朔风 发表于 2017-6-6 01:22
马穆鲁克肯定在达尔曼准将率领下参与了埃劳大冲锋。关于贝纳文特之战的普遍说法是近卫猎骑团渡河击退当面 ...

de Gonneville回忆录也说是过河后追得太远遭遇伏击,North可能是把两次渡河弄混了(是被赶过Elsa河时损失不小)
https://books.google.com/books?id=3lREAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA195
另外,Daumesnil传记也有详细描写
By Christmas Day, the Guard was at Tordesillas, from which Soult’s men had been driven by Moore ten days previously, but there was no time for thoughts of peace on earth. At 5:30 that afternoon, the Guard foot and cavalry were again on the move, following Ney’s troops, headed for Medina del Rio Seco, since the Emperor’s latest reports had placed the British in the Leon-Sahagun area. But Moore was proving to be an elusive quarry, and by the 27th his whereabouts were still not clear. Then Ney’s cavalry scouts found the British at Mayorga, and once again Napoleon shifted the direction of Ney’s advance toward Valderas, in order to swing behind and around Moore. Then, learning that the British were in Benavente, Napoleon wrote to Lefebvre-Desnoëttes, telling him to press ahead with the Chasseurs to make contact with the enemy, and to attempt by harassing actions to fix them until the rest of the army could come up. Finally, he sent the Polish Light Horse to support Lefebvre-Desnoëttes.
In his Carnets, Guyot provides a baldly factual account of the ill-advised and disastrous action into which Lefèbvre-Desnoëttes impetuously plunged the Chasseurs. Arriving in Castro Gonsalvo on the late afternoon of the 28th, well in advance of the General Headquarters, Lefebvre-Desnoëttes sent an advance guard of Chasseurs to scout out British activity in the vicinity of Benavente, on the opposite side of the Esla, a small river flowing southwest and emptying into the Duoro. The Chasseurs observed some British troops engaging in demolishing the wooden bridge leading across the Esla to Benavente, and a brief exchange of musket fire took place, resulting in the fatal wounding of one of the Mameluke officers, Azaria.
At 6:00 the next morning, the young general had his regiment in the saddle, and was looking for a means of crossing the river in order to continue the reconnaissance to Benavente and beyond. By that time, the bridge had been rendered impassable, and any effort to repair it in the face of the enemy, who could be seen on the far bank observing the French movements, was out of the question. As it happened, at virtually the same time Napoleon was writing to Lefebvre-Desnoëttes, telling him not to compromise the Guard cavalry and not to push the matter, if the bridge was guarded by infantry.
Apparently without having received the Emperor’s instructions, and having located a ford opposite Castro Gonsalvo, Lefebvre-Desnoëttes led his 400 Chasseurs through the rapid-flowing, powerful currents of the Esla, swollen by snow and rain, and the regiment’s advance guard galloped off in pursuit of the forty British cavalry, who had been posted near the bridgehead. Having pursued the enemy for several kilometers, right up to the gates to Benavente, the Chasseurs were driven back by the British main guard. Lefebvre then sent forward the first and fifth companies to support the advance guard, but those men were immediately set upon by three British squadrons coming out of Benavente.
Guyot was then ordered to take the second and sixth companies to disengage the men of the regiment from their assailants so that they might withdraw, but the continuing increase in the numbers of British cavalry being fed into the fray was making the regiment’s position increasingly perilous. At the head of the second and sixth companies, Guyot charged a dense column of cavalry approaching his line of battle, breaking up several of its squadrons. In a few moments, he had 30 to 40 prisoners to deal with, and a number of wounded on the field of battle. Some 60 riderless British horses were running loose through the regiment’s ranks.
Guyot managed to amalgamate his two companies with the first and fifth and to get them in a line of battle, but by now there were 19 British squadrons facing him, and he was forced to retreat. At that point Lefebvre-Desnoëttes sent Major Thiry, with the last 150 men of the final companies, to Guyot’s aid, but that weak reinforcement could only fire on the mass of British cavalry, without having an appreciable effect. Lord Paget, commanding the British cavalry, ordered his men to charge the French, and they succeeded in pushing the Chasseurs back to the ford across from Castro Gonsalvo, despite a stubborn resistance on the latter’s part. The colonel of the 7th Light Dragoons and a major were killed, and some 200 British troopers wounded, of whom 27 died either on the field of battle or in Benavente the next day.
In their precipitate retreat, the Chasseurs had lost two officers and six troopers killed, and another 35 men, whose horses were too worn and exhausted to go on, had been captured. It was at the ford, through which the regiment had passed just one hour previously, that Lefebvre-Desnoëttes was captured, as he vainly attempted to keep the men of the regiment from returning to the left bank of the river. Guyot comments that it was a very good thing that he was unable to do so, because if the Chasseurs had retreated down that bank of the Esla, they would have fallen into the hands of another eight squadrons of British cavalry, who were covering the right flank of the retreating British column.
Guyot concludes his account by saying that, once he had regained the left bank with the surviving 300 Chasseurs, they remained there, and the British made no attempt to pursue them through the ford. He sent a report of the affair to the Emperor, who was still at Valderas, and by three that afternoon Napoleon had arrived at Castro Gonsalvo. Guyot’s resentment over Lefebvre-Desnoëtte’s having been given command of the regiment in preference to himself was undoubtedly heightened by the rash and disastrous conduct of his commander on this occasion. Guyot commented that Lefebvre-Desnoëttes was made a prisoner, together with three other officers, because he abandoned the regiment at the height of the retreat.
The losses to the regiment were severe: two lieutenants and six Chasseurs killed, and six officers and 62 Chasseurs wounded. When Napoleon learned how roughly his favorite regiment had been handled, he was furious, but he ended up by seemingly approving their commander’s conduct. Dupont comments that, in order to make it clear to every one that he did not harbor any resentment against the young general for his ill-considered action, Napoleon declared that the position of regimental commander would remain vacant until Lefebvre-Desnoëttes’ return. One can imagine the effect that that decision had on Guyot, who would, by reason of that decision, remain as the acting regimental commander until Lefebvre’s return in 1812.17 Although he never realized his ambition to command the regiment in which he had played such an important role, Guyot became a général de division in December 1811, and was given command of the Horse Grenadiers in November of 1813.

Napoleon's Shield & Guardian, p. 179-181
作者应当是看过Guyot, Général Comte, Carnets de campagnes (1792–1815),可能是目前英文里最详尽的法方描述

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 楼主| 发表于 2017-6-7 00:11:54 | 显示全部楼层
装甲掷弹熊 发表于 2017-6-6 18:52
de Gonneville回忆录也说是过河后追得太远遭遇伏击,North可能是把两次渡河弄混了(是被赶过Elsa河时损失 ...

多谢资料,Daumesnil传记引用古耀将军笔记对此战进行了非常详细的描述,看得很过瘾。看来双方都是分阶段逐次投入兵力,交战了有一个多小时,法军骑兵在渡河前就遭遇了阻击,骑渡过河而不是走浮桥,这些描述纠正了我之前一些想当然的判断。可能这种骑兵前哨战在大多数时候都是逐次投入兵力,毕竟战马体力有限,骑兵战就是比拼谁最后还掌握着战马体力充足的预备队,那种集中大兵力横扫过去的“骑砍”式冲锋可能仅限于于中世纪战斗

德.戈纳维尔上校的回忆录对此战有个基本总结,不过有个地方存疑。他在描述法军骑兵过河时用的是“swam across”,不知是译文问题还是原文就如此。
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-6-7 00:42:33 | 显示全部楼层
小阿扎利亚在过河前就已重伤,看来并未参加之后的骑兵战。另外,拿破仑给戴努埃特的命令是向贝纳文特方向“火力侦察”,拖住敌人直到大部队赶到。近卫猎骑团担负侦察与抓俘的任务并无问题,但如果真想“by harassing actions to fix them until the rest of the army could come up”,就显得兵力不足。不过根据德.戈纳维尔回忆,拿破仑从未下过类似命令。个人认为戴部作为骑兵前哨,任务应当是侦察和打探英军主力,拿破仑恐怕没有下过让该部牵制敌军的任务,这种任务理应由一支兵种齐全实力可观的前卫部队承担,而不是一个骑兵团。
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-6-7 00:48:35 | 显示全部楼层
Abercomby 发表于 2017-6-6 08:40
圣伊莱的书链接在此:

http://www.napoleon-series.org/military/organization/France/Guard/History/ ...

原来“此非彼”,这个作家还写过不少拿破仑时代的历史小说。
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发表于 2017-6-7 19:59:45 | 显示全部楼层
朔风 发表于 2017-6-7 00:48
原来“此非彼”,这个作家还写过不少拿破仑时代的历史小说。

关于近卫军的许多误传都来自这老兄……
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朔风 发表于 2017-6-7 00:11
多谢资料,Daumesnil传记引用古耀将军笔记对此战进行了非常详细的描述,看得很过瘾。看来双方都是分阶段 ...

原文是
la passa à la nage avec ses chasseurs et les mamelucks

看起来真是游
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朔风 发表于 2017-6-6 01:26
阿尔滕堡之战与哥萨克有直接交锋,值得研究。哈瑙之战看序列没有俄军,不过不能就此否定没有哥萨克参战,因 ...

普拉托夫、奥尔洛夫-杰尼索夫所部在哈瑙都参战过

可见Nafziger的Napoleon at Leipzig

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关于近卫军的许多误传都来自这老兄……

毕竟主业是小说家与报刊连载作家,得有点“编”的才能
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