红衫军-小记英国陆军在北美(上)七年战争

戴老板

《绅士时代的战争》里面说先开火意味着失去绅士风度，让对方先打一轮是有风度的表现。英法有一场会战，还为了争执谁先开火导致会战耽搁了。

戴老板

以1792年的瓦尔密战役为标志，绅士时代的战争才算是结束了吧，观战的歌德也说过的。

iron duke

哥德那段原话没看过，请问是怎么讲的？
个人理解瓦尔密战役后，主要是动员制的兵开始大行其道，国王战争走向国家战争。不少比较绅士规则开始淡化，比如不打军官等。
那个路易十五时英法对战的例子细节有些不敢信，一排枪打倒500人也太多了些。
拿破仑时代，一些绅士规则也还有延续，比如特拉法加海战，老阿拉瓦将军坐舰“圣安娜”向科林伍德投降，后来两天后船被西班牙人夺回。科林伍德立刻写信给阿拉瓦，提醒他按规矩已经交出了剑就应该是战俘了，不管人在哪儿。

戴老板

记得他评论的大概意思是“开始了世界史上的一个新时代，是人民对国王的第一次胜利。”

iron duke

多谢，找到了。
"From this place, and from this day forth begins a new era in the history of the world, and you can all say that you were present at its birth,"
贝尔在<第一次总体战>一书中称歌德不一定当时说过。
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070205/scurr
"From this place, and from this day forth begins a new era in the history of the world, and you can all say that you were present at its birth," Goethe claimed to have told a group of Prussian soldiers after they were routed by France's revolutionary forces at Valmy on September 20, 1792, and his pronouncement duly features in David Bell's The First Total War. But Bell does not swoon, as plenty have, at the poet's clairvoyance. Instead he notes calmly that Goethe wrote his account of Valmy decades later and with some borrowing from the testimonials of others.

[ 本帖最后由 iron duke 于 2009-5-22 19:25 编辑 ]

小苏尔特

原帖由 iron duke 于 2009-5-21 23:28 发表

1755年法军这么打过一次伏击布雷多克，很成功。但看地图魁贝克周围就不具备这个条件了。

所以说嘛，法国人占据加拿大时应该考虑把城堡建在接近森林的地方，利用地利和自身的优势对付人数占优的英军。但如果弃守那些地方另寻战场就糟了

iron duke

魁北克城是17世纪初始建的，并不只是作城堡用。