大大影响各国战舰发展方向的海战－－－对马海战（1905.5.27）

diaoduoxi

波罗的海舰队远航中“勘察加号”扮演的角色真是令人忍俊不禁啊

nofer

原帖由 kytyzob 于 2007-3-28 11:08 发表
东乡的Z字旗，在珍珠港南云也升过！

太平洋战争的时候，日本海军升Z字旗如同吃饭一样，不过出了珍珠港算是应了运，以后几次，都被美国佬打得屁滚尿流，损兵折将。

nofer

跨越了大半个地球的远征阿。就这点来说帝俄海军也算是英雄了。不过我记得这支舰队里面的博罗季诺级因为设计原因并不适合在太平洋作战，导致速射炮被浪涌干扰的无法射击。

iron duke

发个较详细的战斗序列。
http://www.russojapanesewar.com/1905-Fleets.pdf
The Fleets at Tsushima
The Japanese Combined Fleet
First Squadron
First Division:
Mikasa (Mikasa class OBB) Flag of Admiral Togo
Shikishima (Shikishima class OBB)
Fuji (Fuji class OBB)
Asahi (Asahi class OBB)
Kasuga (ex-Italian Mitra class CR)
Nisshin (ex-Italian Roca class CR) Flag of Vice Admiral Misu
Tatsuta (Tatsuta class CS) dispatch vessel
Attached Flotilla’s
1st Destroyer Division:
Harusame (Harusame class ODD) Broad Pennant of Captain Fujimoto
Fubuki (Harusame class ODD)
Ariake (Harusame class ODD)
Arare (Harusame class ODD)
Akatsuki II (ex-Russian Puilki class ODD)
2nd Destroyer Division:
Oboro (Ikazuchi class ODD) Broad Pennant of Captain Yajima
Inadzuma (Ikazuchi class ODD)
Ikazuchi (Ikazuchi class ODD)
Akebono (Ikazuchi class ODD)
9th Torpedo-boat Division:
Aotaka (Aotaka class TB) Broad Pennant of Commander Kawase
Kari (Aotaka class TB)
Tsubame (Aotaka class TB)
Hato (Aotaka class TB)
Third Division:
Kasagi (Chitose class OCR) Flag of Vice Admiral Dewa
Chitose (Chitose class OCR)
Otowa (Otowa class OCR)
Niitaka (Tsushima class OCR)
Attached Flotilla
4th Destroyer Division:
Asagiri (Harusame class ODD) Broad Pennant of Commander Suzuki
Murasame (Harusame class ODD)
Shirakumo (Shirakumo class ODD)
Asashiwo (Shirakumo class ODD)
Note: Each vessel was carrying 8x100lbs. Mines
Second Squadron
Second Division:
Idzumo (Idzumo class CR) Flag of Vice Admiral Kamimura
Adzuma (Adzuma class CR)
Tokiwa (Asama class CR)
Yakumo (Yakumo class CR)
Asama (Asama class CR)
Iwate (Idzumo class CR)
Chihaya (Chihaya class CS) dispatch vessel
Attached Flotilla’s
5th Destroyer Division:
Shiranui (Murakumo class ODD) Broad Pennant of Commander Hirose
Murakumo (Murakumo class ODD)
Yugiri (Murakumo class ODD)
Kagero (Murakumo class ODD)
3rd Destroyer Division:
Shinonome (Murakumo class ODD) Broad Pennant of Commander Yoshijima
Usugumo (Murakumo class ODD)
Kasumi (Akatsuki class ODD)
Sazanami (Ikazuchi class ODD)
Fourth Division:
Naniwa (Naniwa class OCR) Flag of Rear Admiral Uriu
Takachiho (Naniwa class OCR)
Akashi (Suma class OCR)
Tsushima (Tsushima class OCR)
Third Squadron
Fifth Division:
Itsukushima (Matsushima class OCR) Flag of Vice Admiral Kataoka
Chinyen (ex-Chinese Chen Yuan class OBB)
Matsushima (Matsushima class OCR)
Hashidate (Matsushima class OCR) Flag of Rear Admiral Taketomi
Yaeyama (Yaeyama class CS) dispatch vessel
Attached Flotilla
11th Torpedo-boat Division:
Number 73 (Number 67 class TB) Broad Pennant of Lieutenant-Commander Fujimoto
Number 72 (Number 67 class TB)
Number 74 (Number 67 class TB)
Number 75 (Number 67 class TB)
Sixth Division:
Suma (Suma class OCR) Flag of Rear Admiral Togo Masaji (no relation)
Chiyoda (Chiyoda class CR)
Akitsushima (Akitsushima class OCR)
Idzumi (ex-Chilean Esmeralda class OCR)
Attached Flotilla
10th Torpedo-boat Division:
Number 43 (Number 39 class TB) Broad Pennant of Lieutenant-Commander Odaki
Number 42 (Number 39 class TB)
Number 40 (Number 39 class TB)
Number 41 (Number 39 class TB)
15th Torpedo-boat Division:
Hibari (Aotaka class TB) Broad Pennant of Commander Kondo
Sagi (Aotaka class TB)
Hashitaki (Aotaka class TB)
Uzura (Aotaka class TB)


The Russian Second and Third Pacific Squadrons
First Division:
Knyaz Suvorov (Borodino class OBB) Flag of Vice Admiral Rozhdestvenski
Imperator Alexandr III (Borodino class OBB)
Borodino (Borodino class OBB)
Orel (Borodino class OBB)
Second Division:
Oslyabya (Peresvyet class OBB) Flag of Rear Admiral Baron Felkerzam
Sisoi Veliki (Sisoi Veliki class OBB)
Navarin (Navarin class OBB)
Admiral Nakhimov (Admiral Nakhimov class OBB)
Third Division:
Imperator Nikolai I (Imperator Alexandr II class OBB) Flag of Rear Admiral Nebogatov
General Admiral Apraxin (Admiral Ushakov class OBB)
Admiral Senyavin (Admiral Ushakov class OBB)
Admiral Ushakov (Admiral Ushakov class OBB)
Attached Cruisers
Zhemchug (Izumrud class OCR)
Izumrud (Izumrud class OCR)
First Cruiser Division:
Oleg (Bogatyr class OCR) Flag of Rear Admiral Enkvist
Aurora (Pallada class OCR)
Dmitri Donskoi (Dmitri Donskoi class CR)
Vladimir Monomakh (Vladimir Monomakh class CR)
Second Scouting Division:
Svyetlana (Svyetlana class CR) Broad Pennant of Commodore Shein
Ural (ex-Kaiserin Maria Theresia class AMC)
Destroyer Flotilla
1st Destroyer Division:
Byedovi (Boiki class ODD)
Buini (Boiki class ODD)
Bravi (Boiki class ODD)
Buistri (Boiki class ODD)
2nd Destroyer Division:
Blestyashchi (Boiki class ODD)
Bezuprechni (Boiki class ODD)
Bodri (Boiki class ODD)
Gromki (Boiki class ODD)
Grozni (Boiki class ODD)
Transport Squadron
Almaz (Almaz class PY) Broad Pennant of Captain Radlov
Anaduir (ex-Franche Comte class AP)
Irtuish (ex-Belgia class AP)
Kamchatka (Kamchatka class AR)
Koreya (Koreya class AE)
Rus (ex-Verein class AT)
Svir (ex-Zwartezee class AT)
Orel (Volunteer Fleet steamship class AH)
Kostroma (Volunteer Fleet steamship class AH)

朔风

原帖由 nofer 于 2008-2-26 02:54 发表
跨越了大半个地球的远征阿。就这点来说帝俄海军也算是英雄了。不过我记得这支舰队里面的博罗季诺级因为设计原因并不适合在太平洋作战，导致速射炮被浪涌干扰的无法射击。

不知道有这样的事，不过阁下说的那种情况应该是舰身（FREEBOARD位置）太低，在远海作战十分不稳，容易受浪涌干扰。这是典型的法式设计，相比英式战舰设计还十分不成熟。波若吉诺级可能具备了这些特点。

朔风

原帖由 iron duke 于 2008-2-26 18:03 发表
发个较详细的战斗序列。
http://www.russojapanesewar.com/1905-Fleets.pdf
The Fleets at Tsushima
The Japanese Combined Fleet
First Squadron
First Division:
Mikasa (Mikasa class OBB) Flag of Admiral ...

呵呵，清楚显示了该战中日本海军巡洋舰数量的优势，速射炮的绝对优势+舰炮相对高命中，个人认为是这次海战日本人胜利的重要因素。最关键的当然还是东乡抢了T字阵位，集中火力轰击领头的旗舰，很快便让Knyaz Suvorov号退出战列，群龙无首。

ViveI'empereur

不过，在当时的条件下，对于俄罗斯舰队敢于横跨三大洋，不远万里跑到日本人的门口去挑战的举动很钦佩。不说作战，光是完成这段航程就不是一件很简单的事情。

朔风

当时俄罗斯也是没办法，第一太平洋舰队已经覆没了。没有英国的帮助，俄罗斯舰队能停靠的港口太少，补给都经常要在海上完成，确实不容易。

Royal

应该是一次史诗似的远征，无论成败，都已经算是英雄。话说回来，德皇威廉当时使劲的催促他的表弟尼古拉出兵，补给这件事就是他亲自指点汉莎航运冒着得罪英国的风险给承担下来

nofer

原帖由 朔风 于 2008-2-27 07:55 发表


不知道有这样的事，不过阁下说的那种情况应该是舰身（FREEBOARD位置）太低，在远海作战十分不稳，容易受浪涌干扰。这是典型的法式设计，相比英式战舰设计还十分不成熟。波若吉诺级可能具备了这些特点。

这张照片可以看到，副炮的位置很容易被浪涌干扰