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[求助] 关于U艇的发动机

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发表于 2007-4-21 09:45:50 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
有谁能介绍一下U艇上装备的那种19世纪首造的发动机吗?名字叫DIESEL电力发动机。主要想了解一下DIESEL与蓄电池之间的联系,顺便问一下当时的U艇是如何给蓄电池充电的。

今天读到一篇讲潜艇的资料,里面提到一个二战后期一个爱尔兰工程师给U艇设计的“2个烟囱”,这个技术使得潜艇在海下也可以让DIESEL运做起来并且同时给蓄电池蓄电。我实在没搞懂其中原理,惭愧,请各位指点一下。
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发表于 2007-4-21 09:59:22 | 显示全部楼层
diesel engine就是柴油引擎。
按照猎杀潜航,潜艇在浮出水面时可以用柴油发动机给电池充电。在水下可以用通气管(估计就是你说的“烟囱”)给柴油机送风发电。
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A submarine snorkel is also a device that allows a submarine to operate submerged while still taking in air from above the surface. It was invented by the Dutch just before World War II and copied by the Germans during the war for use by U-boats. Its common military name is snort.
Until the advent of nuclear power, submarines were designed to operate on the surface most of the time and submerge only for evasion or for rare daylight attacks. In 1940, at night, a U-boat was safer on the surface than submerged because ASDIC could detect boats underwater but was almost useless against a surface vessel. However, with the continued improvement in methods of RADAR detection and attack, as the war progressed, the U-boat was forced to spend more and more time underwater running on electric motors that gave speeds of only a few knots and with very limited endurance.
The 1940 defeat of the Netherlands by the Wehrmacht was a stroke of luck for the Kriegsmarine. The Dutch had been working on a device that they had named the snuiver (lit: "sniffer"). The Dutch navy had been experimenting as early as 1938 with a simple pipe system on the submarines O-19 and O-20 that enabled them to travel at periscope depth operating on its diesels with almost unlimited underwater range while charging the propulsion batteries.
The Kriegsmarine, at first, gave some consideration to the snorkel as a means to take fresh air into the boats but saw no need to run the diesel engines underwater. In 1943, however, as more U-boats were lost, it was retrofitted to the VIIC and IXC classes and designed into the new XXI and XXIII types.
The first boat to be fitted with a snorkel was U-58 which experimented with the equipment in the Baltic during the summer of 1943. Boats began to use it operationally in early 1944 and by June 1944 about half of the boats stationed in the French bases had snorkels fitted.
On Type VII boats the snorkel folded forward and was stored in a recess on the port side of the hull while on the IX Types the recess was on the starboard side. The XXI and XXIII types both had telescopic masts that rose vertically through the conning tower close to the periscope.
Snorkels created several problems for their users. A U-boat with a snorkel raised was limited to six knots to avoid breaking the tube and its sound detection gear was deafened by the roaring of the air being sucked down the tube. A submarine that stayed underwater for more than a few hours encountered various disposal problems and had to store garbage internally, further fouling boats already infamous for their odors.
Most dramatically, snorkels were equipped with automatic valves to prevent seawater from being sucked into the diesels, but when these valves slammed shut the engines would draw air from the boat itself before shutting down, which was extremely painful to the ears of the crew and sometimes even ruptured eardrums. This last problem still exists in modern submarines, though their larger internal air volume mitigates the pain somewhat.
Modern snorkel induction masts use a fail-safe design consisting of compressed air, controlled by a simple electrical circuit, to hold the "head valve" open against the pull of a powerful spring. Seawater washing over the mast shorts out exposed electrodes on top, breaking the control circuit. This vents the compressed air and allows the head valve to slam shut. When the electrodes are again clear of the water, the circuit is reenergized and the valve reopens.

[ 本帖最后由 白星逐日 于 2007-4-21 10:08 编辑 ]
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 楼主| 发表于 2007-4-21 10:05:32 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 白星逐日 于 2007-4-21 09:59 发表
diesel engine就是柴油引擎。
按照猎杀潜航,潜艇在浮出水面时可以用柴油发动机给电池充电。在水下可以用通气管给柴油机送风。


那个“电”字我理解成电能动力了,真不好意思
多谢,这样就全明白了。爱尔兰工程师的技术革新应该是让潜艇在水下也可以发动柴油机给电池充电,这样潜艇就可以在海下无限的潜行。
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发表于 2007-4-22 05:08:12 | 显示全部楼层
AIP嘛,也叫瓦尔特级`

再有,通气管和aip不是一种,通气管是改造型,就是在水下可以使得柴油机有进气口.
这也促成了英美把雷达装在飞机上进行猎杀的举动.

PS:  un nouvel ordinateur ?

[ 本帖最后由 KleinKlauss 于 2007-4-22 05:14 编辑 ]
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发表于 2007-4-22 10:28:24 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 KleinKlauss 于 2007-4-22 05:08 发表
AIP嘛,也叫瓦尔特级`

再有,通气管和aip不是一种,通气管是改造型,就是在水下可以使得柴油机有进气口.
这也促成了英美把雷达装在飞机上进行猎杀的举动.

PS:  un nouvel ordinateur ?

AIP貌似是现代技术啊......朔风讲得是2战,估计是通气管技术了。
PS:I don't speak Deutsch!
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发表于 2007-4-22 10:52:08 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 白星逐日 于 2007-4-22 10:28 发表

AIP貌似是现代技术啊......朔风讲得是2战,估计是通气管技术了。
PS:I don't speak Deutsch!


aip不现代,无气航行技术就是德国二战时期的瓦尔特级潜艇,其在水下使用辅助发动机以重水和海水反应产生动力而无需上浮。

通气管是什么潜艇都可以改造的。

PS,est Français,pas allemand!
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 楼主| 发表于 2007-4-22 23:28:55 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 KleinKlauss 于 2007-4-22 05:08 发表
AIP嘛,也叫瓦尔特级`

再有,通气管和aip不是一种,通气管是改造型,就是在水下可以使得柴油机有进气口.
这也促成了英美把雷达装在飞机上进行猎杀的举动.

PS:  un nouvel ordinateur ?


呵呵,明白了,之前没理解成水下进气,还以为只有在水面上才可以的。

PS 语法上标准的口语法语问句 知道法语并不很难学了吧
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 楼主| 发表于 2007-4-22 23:36:24 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 KleinKlauss 于 2007-4-22 10:52 发表
PS,est Français,pas allemand!


呵呵,这个有点我国文字直译法语的感觉。正确的该是C'est du Français:)  (du=de+le贯词,因为语言前面都要带一个LE,LA或L‘贯词。如果没有DE只有LE贯词,那么该词就取“法国人”的意思;如果即没有DE又没有LE贯词,那么该词取“法国的”的意思,从这里可以看出法文的精确性
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发表于 2007-4-23 05:48:47 | 显示全部楼层

回复 #8 朔风 的帖子

本来就想现一句,因为想到了猎杀潜航。
后来那些纯粹是想逗白星一下,多谢指教
hoho, :现在也仅仅是法语菜鸟中的幼鸟中的弱鸟...

[ 本帖最后由 KleinKlauss 于 2007-4-23 05:50 编辑 ]
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 楼主| 发表于 2007-4-24 04:47:44 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 KleinKlauss 于 2007-4-23 05:48 发表
本来就想现一句,因为想到了猎杀潜航。
后来那些纯粹是想逗白星一下,多谢指教
hoho, :现在也仅仅是法语菜鸟中的幼鸟中的弱鸟...


呵呵,不客气。
主题问的的确是通气管技术,不过老兄的回答让我想起了资料里提到的瓦尔特级潜艇,该潜艇理论上可以在水下有无限动力,在当时那个时代实在太牛了。
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