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[转贴] 击落希伯莱之鹰

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 楼主| 发表于 2007-6-22 13:56:57 | 显示全部楼层
不太多,自预警机事件后中国和以色列在空军合作上就大打折扣了,主要的成果集中在:

J10的预研究上,哈比小无人机,怪蛇导弹的引进,这三方面.

在航电以及发动机还有其他大的研究方向上,中以之间并无什么合作可能~

训练上,呵呵,要是可以改的话,中国空军也不至于打越战以来一直被骂作阿斗了~
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发表于 2007-6-22 14:28:29 | 显示全部楼层
但是据说,以色列还是将与预警机雷达的技术秘密地交给我们了。
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发表于 2007-6-22 16:54:07 | 显示全部楼层
这里有个讨论有部分引证资料。Flintham指出对6月9日,叙方称击落26,损失16(后改19:16)。以方称击落29,损失0(后改为22:0)。
下一个乌克兰人Aviatsija&Vremja的资料可能是核实了一些较为可信的击落记录。
战争中,双方常各自夸大战果,以振作士气。85:0之类基本是属于此类。
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/archive/index.php?t-5620.html

According to Victor Flintham's "Air Wars and Aircraft", the story goes like this:

(9 June 1982)...There then followed extensive dogfights, with F-15s and F-16s engaging MiG-21s and MiG-23s. The initial Syrian claim was 26 aircraft for 16 lost, whereas the Israeli claim was for 29 without loss. These claims were later adjusted to 19 for 16 lost and 22 without loss respectively....The attacks were maintained on the 10th, again with siginificant air combat, Israel claiming a further 26 MiGs and three helicopters. The Syrians admitted losing five MiG-21s, two MiG-23s and six helicopters...At 1200hrs on the 11th a ceasefire was called....In seven days of fighting the IDF/AF claimed to have destroyed no fewer than 80 MiG-21s, MiG-23s and Su-20s, plus five helicopters. Israeli losses are belived to have comprised at least 13 aircraft,including an F-16, an F-4, two A-4, an AH-1 and an AB.212."

This is actually a much shortened version of all "official", "inofficial", "semi-official" and other Western sources.

Now, in the issue 4/2000 of Ukrainian "Aviatsija&Vremja", there's a nice MIG-23 monography, with following claims to be found:

7 June 1982 Capt. Merzah lead 3 MiG-23MFs vs. two F-16As. Both F-16s downed by R-23 missiles from ranges of nine and seven km. Merzah was subsequently shot down by another F-16.

8 June 1982 Maj. Hau lead two MiG-23MFs to attack two F-16s, one of which was shot down by an R-23 missile. Hau was subsequently shot down by an F-16A.

9 June 1982 Pilot Deeb lead two MiG-23MFs to down one F-16A with R-23 missile. Deeb subsequently shot down by an F-16A.

9 June 1982 Pilot Nakhaz lead two MiG-23MFs into attack against a "group" of F-16s. Nakhaz destroyed one F-16 by R-60 from a very short range (under six km), but was subsequently shot down by F-16s.

9 June 1982 Pilot Hazah downed another F-16s while flying an MiG-23MF.

9 June 1982 Pilots Tomi&Ali, flying MiG-23MS', attacked a section of four F-4Es, and shared a kill against one after firing one R-3S missile each. Both MiGs were shot down by F-15s only moments later.

11 June 1982 Pilots Heirat&Zamih, flying MiG-23MS', attacked a section of F-4Es and shared a kill against one after firing one R-3S missile each. Both MiGs were shot down by F-15s only moments later.
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