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[讨论] 假如土耳其卷入拿破仑战争,并且加入拿破仑阵营,会发生什么?

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发表于 2007-6-28 20:27:16 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
假如土耳其卷入拿破仑战争,并且加入拿破仑阵营,会发生什么?
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发表于 2007-6-28 21:07:56 | 显示全部楼层
土耳其不是参加了第二次反法同盟,和1806-1812俄土战争。可以参考其表现。
可能1812年对俄国趁危下手,可以起点作用。
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发表于 2007-6-29 09:03:16 | 显示全部楼层
其实皇帝早有打算,当时正是皇帝怂恿土耳其从南部进攻俄罗斯,但恰巧由艾哈迈德帕夏指挥的奥斯曼精锐在1811年在多瑙河流域被库图佐夫以少胜多打败,皇帝力劝土尔其人把战争打下去,但土尔其最终坚持不下去,故与沙皇俄国缔结条约,以至于沙皇可以调集大量兵力抵御皇帝的东争.
以当时的条件看,土尔其已经不具备继续与俄国军队抗衡的实力,但如果这个国家与沙皇拼死相争,是可以牵制住俄国很客观的一部分军队的,如果那样,皇帝也没有库图佐夫阻挡他东去的道路,估计历史会重写:)
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发表于 2007-6-29 11:09:25 | 显示全部楼层
1812年的土耳其军队战斗力怎样?
库图佐夫不是1805年就赋闲在家了么
南线俄军当时为托马索夫的第3西部军团48000人和170门炮,个人觉得这个力量在南线应付一下土耳其人应该够了。实际情况是这个军团基本没派上什么用场,跟奥地利人互相监视,来回行军机动。

当然了盟友多一个总归有好处,只是不能对它的战斗力抱有太大希望,更不能指望它与沙皇拼死相抗,历史上法国怂恿土耳其捅基督教世界的后院也不是第一次,每次土耳其都没什么好结果
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发表于 2007-6-29 16:39:07 | 显示全部楼层
维基对1806-1812战争有简述:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Turkish_War,_1806-1812
土军攻击力真不怎么样,攻布加勒斯特的主力兵团让米罗拉多维奇4500人就挡住了。在亚美尼亚,古多维奇7千部队打垮了2万土军。
库图佐夫是在小卡曼斯基病逝后出任指挥的,在1811年很漂亮地击败了土军主力,迫其在11月23日投降。
按土军这个水平,如果能牵制住托马索夫的部队也就算上佳表现了。:)
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发表于 2007-6-29 21:00:25 | 显示全部楼层
估计没什么用,被俄国打的大败,他的辉煌时代早已一去不复返了.
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发表于 2007-6-29 21:14:18 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 iron duke 于 2007-6-29 16:39 发表
维基对1806-1812战争有简述:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Turkish_War,_1806-1812
土军攻击力真不怎么样,攻布加勒斯特的主力兵团让米罗拉多维奇4500人就挡住了。在亚美尼亚,古多维奇7千部队打垮了 ...


果然回了国内就上不了维基了。。。
做记号,以后看
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发表于 2007-6-29 21:35:46 | 显示全部楼层
真这样啊。 先转一下。
Background and early hostilities

The war broke out in 1805–1806 against the background of the Napoleonic wars. The Ottoman Empire, encouraged by the Russian defeat at Austerlitz, deposed the Russophile hospodars of its vassal states Moldavia (Alexandru Moruzi) and Wallachia (Constantine Ypsilanti). Simultaneously, their French allies occupied Dalmatia and threatened to penetrate the Danubian principalities at any time. In order to safeguard the Russian border against a possible French attack, a 40,000-strong Russian contingent advanced into Moldavia and Wallachia. The Sultan reacted by blocking the Dardanelles to Russian ships and declared war on Russia.

Initially, the tsar was reluctant to concentrate large forces against Turkey while his relations with Napoleonic France were still uncertain and the main part of his army was occupied fighting against Napoleon in Prussia. A massive Ottoman offensive aimed at Bucharest was promptly checked at Obilesti by as few as 4,500 soldiers commanded by Mikhail Miloradovich (June 2, 1807). In Armenia, the 7,000-strong contingent of Count Gudovich destroyed the Turkish force of 20,000 at Arpachai (June 18). In the meantime, the Russian Navy under Dmitry Senyavin blockaded the Dardanelles and destroyed the Ottoman Fleet in the Battle of the Dardanelles and Battle of Athos, thus establishing Russian supremacy on sea.

Campaigns of 1808–1810

At this point the war might have ended, if it were not for the Peace of Tilsit. Alexander I of Russia, constrained by Napoleon to sign an armistice with the Turks, used the time of peace to transfer more Russian soldiers from Prussia to Bessarabia. After the southern army was augmented to 80,000 and the hostilities were resumed, the 76-year-old commander-in-chief Prozorovsky made little progress in more than a year. In August 1809 he was eventually succeeded by dashing Prince Bagration, who promptly crossed the Danube and overran Dobruja. Bagration proceeded to lay siege to Silistria but, on hearing that the 50,000-strong Turkish army approached the city, deemed it wise to evacuate Dobruja and retreat to Bessarabia.

In 1810, the hostilities were renewed by the Kamensky brothers, who defeated the Ottoman reinforcement heading for Silistria and ousted the Turks from Pazardzhik (May 22). The position of Silistria now appeared hopeless, and the garrison surrendered on May, 30. Ten days later, Kamensky laid siege to another strong fortress, Shumla. His storm of the citadel was repelled at great loss of life, and more bloodshed ensued during the murderous storm of Rousse on July, 22. The latter fortress did not fall to the Russians until September 9, after Kamensky's army had surprised and routed a huge Turkish detachment at Batyn (August, 26). Young Kamensky died soon thereafter and the new commander, Mikhail Kutuzov, in accordance with his cautious character, evacuated Silistria and slowly started to retreat northward.

Conclusion and results

Kutuzov's deceitful manoeuvre induced a Turkish commander, Ahmet Pasha, to lead his 60,000 men against the Russian army. The battle took place on June 22, 1811 near Rousse. Although the offensive was repelled, Kutuzov ordered his forces to cross the Danube back to Bessarabia. Several months later, a separate detachment secretly returned and, surprising Ahmet Pasha at night, routed his army thoroughly (October, 2). More than 9,000 Ottomans were slain during that night, leading to Ahmet Pasha's surrender to Kutuzov on November, 23.

According to the Treaty of Bucharest, signed by Kutuzov on May, 28, the Turks ceded Bessarabia to Russia. The treaty was approved by Alexander I of Russia on June 11, just one day before Napoleon's invasion of Russia commenced.
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发表于 2007-6-30 16:17:00 | 显示全部楼层
据说库图左夫所歼灭的俄罗斯部队已经是土耳其的精锐了,在库图左夫之前的俄国将领仅仅是在局部上赢得了胜利,几乎每一位都是徘徊在多瑙河之间,最后由于没有足够兵力和粮秣退回到河北。
当库图左夫接任总司令后,他获得胜利之后没有象原先的将领那样直接到河对岸进攻土耳其军队,而是诱导其主力到达对俄军有利的多瑙河北部,牵制住后,他派遣得力将领实行迂回机动,将土耳其在多瑙河南部的部队击垮,从而快速漂亮的赢得了战争的胜利,这不仅仅是在战场上的胜利,也是在谈判桌上的胜利,从而沙皇才能将在南部的摩拉维亚主力调往西部和皇帝对峙。
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发表于 2007-7-2 17:33:35 | 显示全部楼层
土耳其应该每年派出点兵力去骚扰,如果俄罗斯不于理会,再出精锐之师.
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