大坑的序曲：胜利之日

白星逐日

ETO=European Theater of Operations
维基里面有这么一段：

In U.S. Army service, the M3 first saw combat in the Philippines. A small number fought in the Bataan peninsula campaign. When the American army joined the North African Campaign in late 1942, Stuart units still formed a large part of its armor strength. After the disastrous Battle of the Kasserine Pass, where M3s and M5s faced German Panzer IVs and heavy Tigers, the US quickly followed the "British route", disbanding most of their light tank battalions and including one company of Stuarts to medium tank battalions, to act as scouting and screening units. For the rest of the war, most US tank battalions had three companies of medium tanks (normally the medium Tank M4) and one company of M3s or M5/M5A1s.
In the European theater, the light tanks had to be given secondary roles since they could not survive against most enemy AFVs.

很含糊的说明了M3在欧洲还是存在的......

austerlitz

好吧，没有证据证明不存在，所以认为存在。这个逻辑让人虽不容易接受但又很难反驳啊。

[ 本帖最后由 austerlitz 于 2008-7-18 22:48 编辑 ]

白星逐日

此间我见到的唯一一辆在ETO作战的M3是由司徒亚特大神保佑的The haunted tank

austerlitz

不要开玩笑，没图没真相。拿图来！
你这句话直接关系到我库存的4辆M3的归属问题。目前我考虑的要么是俄国，要么是意大利。

白星逐日

http://www.strijdbewijs.nl/tanks/stuart/honey.htm
这里有加装了通气管准备参加D-Day的M3的图片。
PS：英国的M3上了欧洲战场那是肯定的，铁托的游击队也有少量M3A1坦克（这也叫游击队？ ）

austerlitz

很好很好，看来沾了白星的好运。我也有了重大发现：

没有任何说明，但是从图片链接里看是在比利时的某地。
上面那个链接里面假装通气管的M3A1我也是第一次见。奇怪的是D-Day那么多照片，从来没注意到有斯图亚特啊。

南斯拉夫的M3A1，白星说的不会是从战后搞出来的那种M3底盘＋AA炮的古怪东西来推测的吧。底盘的来源是个有趣的问题，不过我看过的在南斯拉夫与游击队作战的德军记录（主要是SS7欧根亲王师的）里面也没有提到有M3A1啊

另外关于意大利战场的方面，也有了很好的发现：
I was reading "An Army at Dawn" about a tank battle between an American tank battalion led by Patton's son-in-law, Lt. Col. John K. Waters, and a German unit that included early Mark VI Tigers (just in from Sicily). Col. Waters' unit consisted of M3 Stuarts. They held their own for a while, but eventually just got shoved off the battlefield by the heavier German tanks. Waters was captured & spent the rest of the war in a German POW camp.
Patton was later criticized for a failed attempt to liberate the POW camp in which Waters was held (Hammelburg Raid). But that's another story.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2026597/posts

白星逐日

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_K._Waters#World_War_II
巴顿他女婿属于第一批进战俘营的美军（在突尼斯被抓的）

austerlitz

突尼斯跟西西里是两个情况，西西里跟意大利又是两个情况，这样说来意大利战场上的M3还是很缺乏证据，只有我之前贴的那张照片而已

白星逐日

英军有M3......东线的M3简直不敢想象......

白星逐日

在这里公布下工程进度：
T-34 Mod42：100％完成
威利斯吉普＋37mm炮：100％完成
M3A1半履带车：90％完成（欠顶盖和驾驶员）
等回到镇江以后补图～








[ 本帖最后由 白星逐日 于 2008-8-3 12:40 编辑 ]