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发表于 2012-8-21 16:40:06 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
这两个是人准备用于博罗季诺战役,图右是一名巴伐利亚军官,左边是法国将军。
有没有大神能够帮我对号入座啊~谢谢
我能想到的是朱诺,因为他当时指挥第八军威斯特发利亚人,有些接近。。。
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发表于 2012-8-21 19:46:24 | 显示全部楼层
第一个想到的是Karl Philipp von Wrede:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Philipp_von_Wrede
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发表于 2012-8-22 00:19:58 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 装甲掷弹熊 于 2012-8-22 00:22 编辑

留下回忆录的巴伐利亚人也不少

According to a Bavarian officer, Wiedemann, after Napoleon's proclamation was read at dawn:
Ornano's cavalry moved again to occupy its position in the battle line. We initially took a direction towards the village of Borodino, but then turned left and reached the Borodino stream that flowed in a deep ravine [...] A battery was set up in this defile and, on the opposite side from it, the 1st Chevau-leger brigade was deployed, adjacent to an infantry regiment from Delzon's division. The 2nd Chevau-leger brigade stood on the left side of the battery, while [the] Italian Chasseurs a Cheval were nearby ...

In a bloody combat, the French swept through and beyond the redoubt, chasing the survivors before them. Cesare de Laugier, standing on a hill at a distance from the redoubt, could observe it all 'a.s 2L spectator a.t a, circus might make out what is going on in the ring below him'. Seeing the dashing attack of the 30th Line, he was seized with an 'indescribable anxiety' and cheered his comrades. Not far from him, von Muraldt (from the Bavarian troops) saw Prince Eugene excited by this initial success and 'waving his hat in the air and crying 'The battle is won!'

Memoirs of Bavarian officers reveal that their cavalry was dismounted until noon and observed the ongoing battle from a distance.

During their attacks, the Russian cavalrymen suffered high casualties attacking the squares. Bavarian officer von Muraldt saw
the enemy cavalry [...] implementing its plan. By the time the voltigeurs reached us, the wood was already in enemy hands. And hardly had the voltigeurs drawn up to our left, within range of it than individual sharpshooters from the Guard Cossacks were already visible on its fringe. As soon as the enemy facing us saw we had been outflanked, he crossed the Kolotcha [sic], everywhere shallow and easily forded, and, protected by his artillery, attacked our front. Every moment we were waiting for the order to advance against him; but whether our general's attention was mainly directed towards the attack threatening our flank or for some other reason no such order came; and we could only wait the enemy, who was coming at us flat out. Not until the Russians were 200 paces away did the order come: 'Carbines up! Fire!' And hardly had we fired out carbines - mostly without effect (as is usual with cavalry) - than we were attacked and overthrown by two hussar regiments [...] At the same time, the Guard Cossacks were advancing out of the wood, overriding both our voltigeur companies, and striking into our flank. Attacked from front and in flank, and on such utterly unfavourable terrain, the many of us took to our heels. For a moment, generals, officers and soldiers swirled around in a single confused mass. Everyone was spurring his horse to get out of this jam as quick as ever he could ...

Uvarov's charge forced Bavarian commander Preysing to order 'one of my brigades to move forward onto a near hill to support the infantry. My troops barely reached it when they were charged by several enemy Regiments' Bavarian officer Wiedemann recalled 'several Cossack sotnyas that made a feint attack, brandishing sabres and firing, against the [2] 1st Chevau-leger Brigade'.

当天和巴伐利亚人交道比较多的是欧仁军和格鲁希,毕竟参战的巴伐利亚部队是骑兵和骑炮兵
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-8-22 09:32:38 | 显示全部楼层
感谢两位大大~
可是感觉巴伐利亚王子和意大利亲王感觉应该不会穿的这么低调
不过查了一下,感觉还是偏近卡尔.冯.飞利浦.弗雷德
纠结纠结~
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-8-22 09:37:43 | 显示全部楼层
如果他是弗雷德,那是不是隶属第六军圣西尔的22000巴伐利亚军,那他又担任何职务呢?
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发表于 2012-8-22 14:32:54 | 显示全部楼层
bf109w 发表于 2012-8-22 09:37
如果他是弗雷德,那是不是隶属第六军圣西尔的22000巴伐利亚军,那他又担任何职务呢?

问题是圣西尔第六军在北线战场跟维特根斯坦拉锯,怕是除了联络官来不了人……
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-8-22 14:36:54 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 bf109w 于 2012-8-22 14:39 编辑

弗雷德是师长吗?
掷弹熊大大是说第六军没有参与直接攻击三个大棱堡吗
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发表于 2012-8-22 14:48:01 | 显示全部楼层
bf109w 发表于 2012-8-22 14:36
弗雷德是师长吗?
掷弹熊大大是说第六军没有参与直接攻击三个大棱堡吗

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Philipp_von_Wrede
弗雷德是第六军第二十师师长
http://www.napoleon-series.org/c ... pl?md=read;id=32026

第六军非但没参加攻击棱堡……斯摩棱斯克、博罗季诺、塔鲁季诺、小雅罗斯拉韦茨、维亚兹马、克拉斯内……总之中央战线的战役基本都没参加,得等到十一月才和大部队会合
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-8-22 14:59:08 | 显示全部楼层
感谢
原来如此,巴伐利亚人果然掉链子!~但做成格鲁西感觉也有点不像呐,纠结纠结~
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发表于 2012-8-22 15:39:51 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 装甲掷弹熊 于 2012-8-22 15:41 编辑
bf109w 发表于 2012-8-22 14:59
感谢
原来如此,巴伐利亚人果然掉链子!~但做成格鲁西感觉也有点不像呐,纠结纠结~

也可以做成与欧仁军军属骑兵相关的法国军官,人也不少

CORPS CAVALRY: General of Division Philippe Antoine Ornano
    12th Light Cavalry Brigade: General of Brigade Claude-Raymond Guyon
          9th Chasseurs a Cheval
          19th Chasseurs a Cheval
    13th Light Cavalry Brigade: General of Brigade Giovanni Villata von Villatburg
          2nd Italian Chasseurs a Cheval
          3rd Italian Chasseurs a Cheval
BAVARIAN CAVALRY DIVISION: Major General Maximillian Joseph von Preysing-Moos
     21st Light Cavalry Brigade: Major General von Seydewitz
          3rd Bavarian Chevau-leger Kron-prinz
          6th Bavarian Chevau-leger Bubenhofen
     22nd Light Cavalry Brigade: Major General Maximillian Joseph von Preysing-Moos
          4th Bavarian Chevau-leger
          5th Bavarian Chevau-leger
     Artillery Brigade
          1st Bavarian Horse Artillery (6 guns)
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