法国¨海洋"级战列舰简介

iron duke

太好了，帆船时代海战专家junker 也来了。欢迎！:)
junker 兄可否有空把“光荣六一”那篇在此贴一下，写得实在好。

iron duke

原帖由 junker 于 2007-10-3 10:56 发表
存在争议．但是许多历史学家都习惯把这一炮归到柏勒罗丰号．因为她从开始到最后一直在与东方号力拼，受创最大，立功最大．机敏和亚力山大号随后也加入了对东方号的围攻．以１敌３，东方并不落下风．但是让亚力山 ...

有个疑问。按britishbattles站的说法。柏勒洛丰是先和“东方”号单挑了近一小时，遭重创后脱离。如果这个说法成立，虽可能仍有零星交火，但打出最致命一击可能比较小。
我觉得遭“柏勒洛丰”，“亚历山大”，“机敏”，“利安德”合击，火势蔓延造成爆炸较为可信。
http://www.britishbattles.com/waterloo/battle-nile.htm

The relentless aggression of the British captains was vividly illustrated by the conduct of HMS Bellerophon. Darby took his ship past Vanguard and Minotaur to attack the French Flagship, Orient, the largest ship in the battle. Within the hour Bellerophon had taken substantial casualties and drifted away, dismasted and helpless, all its officers dead or wounded.

HMS Defence and Majestic entered the line on the seaward side, Defence attacking the Franklin, sixth in the French line, and Majestic receiving a heavy fire from Orient before attacking Heureux and Tonnant.

Four British ships, Culloden, Alexander, Swiftsure and Leander, lying to the rear of the main fleet, raced to join the battle. Culloden leading grounded in the shoals. Alexander and Swiftsure left Leander and the brig Mutine to assist Culloden and hurried on, both ships attacking Orient; Swiftsure firing into her bow quarter, Alexander raking her stern quarter.
Leander, finally leaving the immovable Culloden, took position between Franklin and Orient, firing into both.

On Vanguard, Nelson was struck on the head by a piece of langridge shot, used to cut rigging, and taken below. When finally seen by the surgeon the wound was pronounced superficial.

At around 9pm Orient caught fire. Brueys had been wounded three times, the final injury proving fatal. Anchored and with little capacity to move, the French Flagship, already heavily damaged by the intrepid Bellerophon, was under fire from Alexander, Swiftsure and Leander, all firing from quarters that made reply difficult. The final devastating aspect of the French lack of foresight was about to play its part.

毛大大

英法海军的对战我想至少还是强调了这个结论：
即使有再高昂的斗志、勇气和民族情绪，也不能完全弥补技术和经验的欠缺
想起《最后的决斗》里英国舰长的自信了：“我们会象过去多次打败法国人一样打败他们！”

junker

原帖由 iron duke 于 2007-10-3 15:45 发表
太好了，帆船时代海战专家junker 也来了。欢迎！:)
junker 兄可否有空把“光荣六一”那篇在此贴一下，写得实在好。

铁公爵过奖了 我不是什么专家,只是有点爱好的初学者而已.

说道柏勒罗丰,我看的她的战史上说,7点开始单挑东方号,到9点东方号起火为止,她一直都在与之交战.

iron duke

看来柏勒洛丰应该真是打了很久，这部古书上也是这么写的，一直打到“东方”快爆炸。
http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/nile.htm
The Bellerophon, whose masts and cables had been entirely shot away, could not retain her situation abreast of L'Orient, but had drifted out of the Line to the lee side of the Bay, a little before that Ship blew up. The Audacious was in the morning detached to her assistance.

朔风

看过各位的讨论，感觉东方号遭围攻火势蔓延引起爆炸的可能性的确更大些:) 东方号9点起火，别勒洛丰也是这个时候脱离，这之前东方号也遭遇了英海军多舰围攻。

朔风

原帖由 毛大大 于 2007-10-3 16:17 发表
英法海军的对战我想至少还是强调了这个结论：
即使有再高昂的斗志、勇气和民族情绪，也不能完全弥补技术和经验的欠缺
想起《最后的决斗》里英国舰长的自信了：“我们会象过去多次打败法国人一样打败他们！”

确实如此，海军与陆军毕竟是不一样的。说起来陆军初期也遭遇了很多困难，1792年前后的革命军在战场上经不住几轮齐射就大规模溃逃，有些则在战场上胡乱开枪，经常打中自己人。瓦尔米炮战胜利运气因素较大，倒是给了共和国重整的时间，随着卡尔诺这样高明的组织者上任，还有善于训练的杜穆里埃，克勒曼，法军很快就演变成一支有特点能打仗的部队。不过排枪齐射还是很差劲，主要依靠卡尔诺制订的散兵+密集冲锋队型作战。

蓝色拿破仑

又来了一位人才，太好了。

karajan

强贴 了解一下

Royal

原帖由 朔风 于 2007-10-3 09:23 发表


皇家海军的战斗力是当时世界最强的，个人觉得海上炮战决定性因素首先是训练度，然后是装备。特拉法加海战中，纳尔逊的舰队横冲法西海军的战列，带头的战列舰经常处于法西海军多艘战舰的围攻中，但皇家海军给出了 ...

一句话,那时的皇家海军绝对是无敌的
能够将日本联合舰队扼杀在摇篮中的,
也就只有皇家海军和她的海军传统了.
别忘了,,皇家海军几乎是整个世界各国海军的教父