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[其他] 问个业余点的问题,关于皇帝骑兵部队的。

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发表于 2007-4-9 20:38:14 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 白星逐日 于 2007-4-9 05:37 发表
不过在那种炮弹满天飞的战场上(还是峡谷)轻骑兵旅的手气就没有萨尔洛维茨那么好了。冲锋时满壮观的,损失也不小:
The brigade was not completely destroyed, but did suffer terribly, with 118 men kille ...



真不知道萨尔洛维茨是怎么逃回但泽的,还是一个人,他应该陪伴那些勇士一起战死...
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发表于 2007-4-10 00:38:09 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 伦赛泽伯爵 于 2007-4-9 20:31 发表
怎样用己方骑兵有效的对付对方骑兵呢,难道用步兵方阵(在皇帝时代至少是这样,线膛枪出来了就可以有thin red line那样的阵形了)不够有效?
若从整个战史来讲,骑兵对骑兵有效,还是步兵对骑兵有效呢?本人看过的书里从中世纪时期就是步兵对骑兵(在双方地利相持的情况下)更有效.


说骑兵有效,并非说骑兵比步兵更有效。骑兵战斗是捉对格斗,个人胜负易数偶然性极大,经常造成“换俥”的效果,这一点毋庸置疑。
但说到底步兵方阵是个被动的战术,火力的折扣很大,面对步兵和炮兵则更为脆弱。一名指挥官应该知道步兵在战场上是用来取得胜利,而不只是为了消灭对方骑兵。靠方阵你可以扛住对方骑兵,但你无法取得会战胜利。这就是为什么大家要排着横队(菲特烈的线队,拿破仑的纵队),而不是直接排着方阵上战场。方阵在任何情况下都是权宜之计,是火力还没到发展到位的步兵向骑兵的妥协。
既然一名指挥官认识到他的骑兵应该尽量避免进攻步兵方阵,他为什么不能让他们去对付对方的骑兵呢?
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发表于 2007-4-10 01:29:11 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 白星逐日 于 2007-4-9 05:37 发表
1936年电影版(华纳兄弟的好莱坞产品)的不实之处:
The film originally featured the Siege of Cawnpore during the SepoyRebellion. When someone pointed out that the Sepoy Rebellion took placethree years after the Battle of Balaklava, the name of Cawnpore washastily changed to Chukoti, and the rebellion was turned into afictional uprising led by the fictional Surat Khan.

电影中是英国枪骑兵冒着炮火枪弹前赴后继,破阵而入,将那个恶贯满盈的SURAT汗一枪结果,背景响起雄壮的Rule, Britannia,然后 -- 影片结束。真是爱国主义。
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发表于 2007-4-10 02:23:48 | 显示全部楼层
法国应该不缺马,百年战争法国重骑大出洋相


法国缺的是好马。另外百年战争的骑士也不能叫大出洋相吧,无畏牺牲还差不多。再说百年战争期间居斯克兰的游击骑士也很厉害。

我不太清楚皇帝时代骑兵在什么位置对什么位置冲击,以及冲击的时机


并不像亚历山大军队的骑兵那样有具体的展开位置,一般说来部分骑兵在步兵侧翼,余下集中起来当做预备队在决定性场合使用。

怎样用己方骑兵有效的对付对方骑兵呢,难道用步兵方阵(在皇帝时代至少是这样,线膛枪出来了就可以有thin red line那样的阵形了)不够有效?
若从整个战史来讲,骑兵对骑兵有效,还是步兵对骑兵有效呢?本人看过的书里从中世纪时期就是步兵对骑兵(在双方地利相持的情况下)更有效.


骑兵的作用有反击敌人骑兵这一条,这种战例在N战期间还算普遍,各大战役都发生过。
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 楼主| 发表于 2007-4-27 21:12:02 | 显示全部楼层
楼上各位谈的都那么专业。你们都是学什么的阿?崇拜。
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发表于 2007-4-28 16:46:43 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 austerlitz 于 2007-4-10 00:38 发表


说骑兵有效,并非说骑兵比步兵更有效。骑兵战斗是捉对格斗,个人胜负易数偶然性极大,经常造成“换俥”的效果,这一点毋庸置疑。
但说到底步兵方阵是个被动的战术,火力的折扣很大,面对步兵和炮兵则更为脆 ...


的确,不太可能步兵找骑兵打,这就是步兵在战术上机动性差的重大表现了.
但用骑兵去进攻对方的骑兵我想是太浪费了,我想把骑兵在适当实际出动才是最最明智的选择,它那强悍的冲击力在恰当时机可以给敌人致命打击,与其用车换车,不如在恰当时机用车吃卒,哈哈!
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发表于 2007-5-9 11:00:58 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 iron duke 于 2007-4-10 01:29 发表

电影中是英国枪骑兵冒着炮火枪弹前赴后继,破阵而入,将那个恶贯满盈的SURAT汗一枪结果,背景响起雄壮的Rule, Britannia,然后 -- 影片结束。真是爱国主义。

看看基普林(英国最著名的帝国主义诗人——我给他加的头衔 )的作品:
[size=+2]The Last of the Light Brigade

There were thirty million English who talked of England's might,
There were twenty broken troopers who lacked a bed for the night.
They had neither food nor money, they had neither service nor trade;
They were only shiftless soldiers, the last of the Light Brigade.

They felt that life was fleeting; they knew not that art was long,
That though they were dying of famine, they lived in deathless song.
They asked for a little money to keep the wolf from the door;
And the thirty million English sent twenty pounds and four !

They laid their heads together that were scarred and lined and grey;
Keen were the Russian sabres, but want was keener than they;
And an old Troop-Sergeant muttered, "Let us go to the man who writes
The things on Balaclava the kiddies at school recites."

They went without bands or colours, a regiment ten-file strong,
To look for the Master-singer who had crowned them all in his song;
And, waiting his servant's order, by the garden gate they stayed,
A desolate little cluster, the last of the Light Brigade.

They strove to stand to attention, to straighen the toil-bowed back;
They drilled on an empty stomach, the loose-knit files fell slack;
With stooping of weary shoulders, in garments tattered and frayed,
They shambled into his presence, the last of the Light Brigade.

The old Troop-Sergeant was spokesman, and "Beggin' your pardon," he said,
"You wrote o' the Light Brigade, sir. Here's all that isn't dead.
An' it's all come true what you wrote, sir, regardin' the mouth of hell;
For we're all of us nigh to the workhouse, an' we thought we'd call an' tell.

"No, thank you, we don't want food, sir; but couldn't you take an' write
A sort of 'to be continued' and 'see next page' o' the fight?
We think that someone has blundered, an' couldn't you tell 'em how?
You wrote we were heroes once, sir. Please, write we are starving now."

The poor little army departed, limping and lean and forlorn.
And the heart of the Master-singer grew hot with "the scorn of scorn."
And he wrote for them wonderful verses that swept the land like flame,
Till the fatted souls of the English were scourged with the thing called Shame.

O thirty million English that babble of England's might,
Behold there are twenty heroes who lack their food to-night;
Our children's children are lisping to "honour the charge they made - "
And we leave to the streets and the workhouse the charge of the Light Brigade!
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发表于 2007-5-9 21:26:18 | 显示全部楼层
騎兵必須配合騎炮兵才能有效
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发表于 2007-5-20 11:11:29 | 显示全部楼层
骑兵在突击时是尖刀,但没有步兵的及时支援那就是枪靶
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