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发表于 2007-9-12 03:04:29 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 KleinKlauss 于 2007-9-11 23:56 发表


这个motor用的好,呵呵,不说panzer或者其他,所以宝马750估计也算在内了,这种摩托是德国摩步兵最常用的,当时怎么着也有近百万辆~

Panzer在993 to 1000 AFV里了。11000的数字应该是包括摩托车的,摩托车直接遭骑兵马刀“毒手”的就多了。

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发表于 2007-9-12 04:22:34 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 KleinKlauss 于 2007-9-11 22:28 发表


维克斯或卡登洛伊德,这玩意能干掉35t?还是13辆? 哦....

...还把冯.拉提波亲王的座驾(一辆35T)给轰杀了。

[ 本帖最后由 iron duke 于 2007-9-12 04:37 编辑 ]

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发表于 2007-9-12 16:00:30 | 显示全部楼层
其实落后的不是骑兵,而是战术,苏军骑兵可没少占过德国人的便宜,骑兵对坦克是寒掺了点,他们不懂一物降一物,德军在入侵波兰时,才多少程度的所谓机械化,哈德的自己心里清楚,辎重队,炮兵,多数都是靠马拉骡拽的,骑兵应该去奇袭这些软目标,关键指挥官的问题,打辎重队没什么丢脸的,打起仗来就得挑软柿子捏,大家都下过军旗,明确对方是司令,军长还不闪?就算吃你被炸都赚了,德军的闪电战初期很明显就是快速突破,钳形合围,镰刀闪击,坦克来了就躲开,骑兵都走的道坦克可不一定能跟上,就好比道路多点障碍,马旁边一闪就过去了,那位要说了,坦克可以越野!去TN的!1号2号到了野地里那速度还不如马呢。不陷住就阿弥陀佛了。而且长时间越野进攻必定机械维修增大。其实一直没弄明白,波兰军方就这么自信,不去破坏道路和桥梁,来争取自己调整部队的时间。

浪费了这么多唾沫无非是为那些波兰英勇的骑兵叫屈,都是那些当官的吃白饭,他们只不过英勇的执行命令!谁叫他们都是军人!
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发表于 2007-9-12 16:07:52 | 显示全部楼层
可波兰骑兵在除非不得已情况下(比如突围,或9月1日第18枪骑那次突然遭遇),还是
比较遵循找软柿子的。

   1. September 1 - Battle of Mokra - 19th Volhynian Uhlans Regiment took by surprise the elements of German 4th Panzer Division, which retreated in panic[2][4]. During the charge, lances were used.
   2. September 1 - Battle of Janów - 11th Polish Legions' Uhlans Regiment on a recce mission encountered a similar unit of German cavalry. Lieut. Kossakowski ordered a cavalry charge, but the enemy did not accept the battle and after a short clash the Germans withdrew[1] towards their positions.
   3. September 2 - Battle of Borowa Góra - 1st squadron of the 19th Volhynian Uhlans Regiment encountered a squadron of German cavalry in the village of Borowa. A charge was ordered, but the Germans withdrew[1].
   4. September 11 - Osuchowo - 1st squadron of the 20th Uhlans Regiment charging through[1] the lines of German infantry in order to avoid encirclement. Negligible losses on both sides, the Poles broke through.
   5. September 12 - Kałuszyn - 4th squadron of the 11th Polish Legions Uhlans Regiment charged overnight at the German positions in the town of Kaluszyn. Despite the fact that the charge was an effect of a mistake (the Polish infantry commander issued a wrong order which was understood as a charge order while the cavalry was meant to simply move forward), it was a success. With heavy casualties on both sides, the town was retaken[1] in the early morning.
   6. September 13 - Mińsk Mazowiecki - 1st squadron of the 2nd Grochów Uhlans Regiment charged German infantry positions, but was repelled by German MG fire and artillery.
   7. September 13 - Maliszewo - 1st squadron of the 27th Uhlans Regiment was engaged in heavy fighting in the vicinity of the village of Maliszewo. After the Germans were beaten[1] and started to retreat towards the village, the Poles charged, took the village and large number of German prisoners of war.
   8. September 15 - Brochów - elements of the 17th Greater Polish Uhlans Regiment charged towards the German positions to impose fear[1] on the German infantry. However, soon before reaching the range of enemy weapons, the uhlans dismounted and continued their attack as infantry. The assault was successful.
   9. September 16 - Dembowskie - a platoon from the 4th squadron of the 17th Greater Polish Uhlans Regiment charged towards a small German outpost located around a foresters' hut. The small number of Germans withdrew[1].
  10. September 19 - Battle of Wólka Węglowa - Most of the 14th Jazłowiec Uhlans Regiment (without MGs and AT platoon) was ordered to probe the German forces near the town of Wólka Węglowa. After elements of 9th Lesser Polish Uhlans Regiment joined, the group was ordered to charge through the German lines to open the way towards Warsaw and Modlin for the rest of Polish forces withdrawing from the Battle of Bzura. The Poles charged through the German artillery barrage and took the German infantry by surprise[1]. Polish losses were high (205 killed and wounded), the German losses remain unknown, but the Polish unit broke through and was the first to reach Warsaw after the Battle of Bzura.
  11. September 19 - Łomianki - recce squad of 6th Mounted Artillery Detachment charged through the German lines in the town of Lomianki and paved[1] the way for the rest of the unit to Warsaw.
  12. September 21 - Battle of Kamionka Strumiłowa - 3rd squadron of the 1st Mounted Detachment (improvised) charged through German infantry preparing to assault the Polish positions. The preparations were paralysed and the Germans withdrew[1].
  13. September 23 - Krasnobród - 1st squadron of the 25th Greater Polish Uhlans Regiment charged towards the town of Krasnobród. With heavy casualties, the Uhlans reached the hill on top of which the town was located. A unit of German organic cavalry from the German 8th Infantry Division counter-charged from the hill, but was repelled and the Poles captured the town and took the HQ[1] of the division, together with its commander and ca. 100 German soldiers. 40 Polish combatants previously taken prisoner by the Germans were freed.
  14. September 24 - Husynne - reserve squadron of the 14th Jazlowiec Uhlans Regiment (some 500 sabres), reinforced with an improvised cavalry unit of the police and some remnants of divisional organic cavalry, was ordered to break through the Soviet infantry surrounding the Polish positions in the village of Husynne. The charge was lead by the mounted police, and the Soviet forces withdrew in panic[1]. However, soon the attack was stopped by a strong Soviet tank unit. Casualties similar on both sides.
  15. September 26 - Morańce - 27th Uhlans Regiment charged a dug-in German infantry battalion in the village of Morańce twice. Both charges were repelled with heavy casualties (Poles lost 20 KIA and circa 50 WIA, German losses remain unknown). After the second charge the Germans sent an envoy with a white flag and, after a short discussion with the Polish commander of the Nowogródek Cavalry Brigade, the Germans withdrew[1].

   1. ^ (Polish) Marcin Lewandowski (2005). Szarże we wrześniu 1939 (Cavalry charges in September of 1939). Kawaleria II RP. Retrieved on 2006-04-26.
   2. ^ (English) Steven J Zaloga (1982). Polish Army, 1939-1945. Osprey Publishing, 9-10. ISBN 0-85045-417-4.
   3. ^ (English) M Evan Brooks (2002). "The Polish Cavalry Charge", Military History's Most Wanted. Brassey's, 330. ISBN 1-57488-509-X.
   4. ^ (English) Steven J Zaloga (2002). Poland 1939: The Birth of Blitzkrieg. Osprey Publishing, 42. ISBN 1-84176-408-6.

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发表于 2007-9-12 16:26:26 | 显示全部楼层
总体来说,波兰军方的领导,的确太骄傲了,导致这么多有生力量白白损失。
MS英法也不是好鸟!看着事态发展竟然宣战后按兵不动,不过事后自己也吃了苦果子
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发表于 2007-9-12 16:43:33 | 显示全部楼层
波兰最高统帅高估了自己的能力,对英法抱希望过大。怕德国打个有限战争,再停战割地,把主力平铺边境,摆了个愚型。
但波兰骑兵在总体无望情况下打得还是可以的,连德国第8步兵师师长Rudolf Koch-Erpach,都叫波兰骑兵一个直捣虎穴,生擒了过来。
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发表于 2007-9-12 16:49:33 | 显示全部楼层
嗯个人最佩服这种誓死如归的战士了
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发表于 2007-9-12 16:52:39 | 显示全部楼层
同样敬佩啊,看着这仗,就想起了拿破仑时代的索莫谢拉。
September 23 - Krasnobród - 1st squadron of the 25th Greater Polish Uhlans Regiment charged towards the town of Krasnobród. With heavy casualties, the Uhlans reached the hill on top of which the town was located. A unit of German organic cavalry from the German 8th Infantry Division counter-charged from the hill, but was repelled and the Poles captured the town and took the HQ[1] of the division, together with its commander and ca. 100 German soldiers. 40 Polish combatants previously taken prisoner by the Germans were freed.

[ 本帖最后由 iron duke 于 2007-9-12 16:53 编辑 ]
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发表于 2007-9-12 16:58:04 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 iron duke 于 2007-9-12 16:43 发表
波兰最高统帅高估了自己的能力,对英法抱希望过大。怕德国打个有限战争,再停战割地,把主力平铺边境,摆了个愚型。
但波兰骑兵在总体无望情况下打得还是可以的,连德国第8步兵师师长Rudolf Koch-Erpach,连德国第8步兵师师长Rudolf Koch-Erpach,都叫波兰骑兵一个直捣虎穴,生擒了过来


  又是违纪?传奇啊`

其他地方还真没有pl。wiki的这个战果。

英文wiki说的是:Koch-Erpach had the distinction of being captured by the Polish forces during the Battle of Krasnobrod. ...

这是几乎被捉的意思吧?
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发表于 2007-9-12 16:59:06 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 dingxiaolin1981 于 2007-9-12 16:49 发表
嗯个人最佩服这种誓死如归的战士了


懦者用其慎,愚者用其勇,确实值得佩服啊
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